As we have found, Revelation is a very complex book, full of rich imagery that can be very confusing. The first couple of weeks we focused on one chapter at time, which was helpful in chapters 2 and 3, but once we hit chapter 4 (when John describes his vision of heaven and heavenly worship) it became harder and harder to discuss in depth, harder and harder to find words (which I am sure is how John felt as he was recording his vision for us!).
Many of us have been frustrated because so much of the book is so hard to understand. I think, though, that something like this vision of John's is not necessarily meant to be understood so much as it is meant to be experienced. With that in mind, the past couple of weeks we've been trying to experience the vision as John saw it, by practicing Lectio Divina (click here for a description of this way of praying the scriptures) and by reading it chapter by chapter, one person reading while we close our eyes and try to experience it, try to see what John saw. This way has been much more helpful in our experience of Revelation.
**Note I said "helpful in our experience of Revelation" not necessarily in our comprehension of Revelation!
The night we practiced Lectio Divina we read chapters 5-7. We wrote down our questions that came up in our personal contemplation. Following are the questions and my best attempt at an answer, informed by many scholars who have come before. Thank God for commentaries and the folks who write them!
First, a word from my Seminary Professor, Luke Timothy Johnson:
“Beneath the complex sequences of
seals, trumpets, bowls, and beasts, four fundamental convictions are expressed:
1.
“in heaven” the victory over evil and death has
already been won by God and the Messiah.
The idolatrous powers strutting the earth are illusory; there is but one
power controlling history.
2.
the apparent dominance of evil in human affairs
is itself part of God’s triumphant plan, and those who come through suffering
and persecution faithfully receive the reward of eternal life with God. God is in control of the world, and evil is
not running rampant; rather, everything is taking place according to God’s
design.
3.
the history of humans has a goal even on earth:
the time of the suffering of the saints will come to an end, the visible and
effective rule of God among humans will be established, and the wicked will be
judged.
4.
those who share the witness of Christ on earth
in the face of death will share as well in heaven his victory over death.”
–from his book The Writings of the New
Testament: An Interpretation
The ones who are
suffering, they are all God’s people.
Will God not take away his faithful before the suffering? Has the tribulation not begun before this?
We must remember the context in which this book was written. Christians were being persecuted. Confessing Jesus as your Lord was a highly
dangerous, risky thing to do.
Many Christians at the time were martyred.
That is why John writes to congratulate those in Thyatira who
have patient endurance, they are patiently enduring the current suffering and persecution.
(Revelation 2.19: “I know your
works—your love, faith, service, and patient endurance. I know that your last
works are greater than the first.)
We are all Beloved Children of God, just read Psalm
139! But we each must choose who to
follow, to whom we will be loyal. The
144,000 (who represent all the people of God) have chosen to be loyal to God,
they have chosen to follow God.
These chapters can be scary, with torture and destruction
and killing and people wanting to die.
This language is similar to other prophets in the Old Testament when
they speak of the Day of the Lord, how he will come with vengeance, etc. However, all those prophets end with a
hopeful word. They say something like,
“this is how it will be… but forgiveness is available! God is gracious.
Like in Micah, Chapter 7 Verse 2 says, “The faithful have
disappeared from the land, and there is no one left who is upright; they all
lie in wait for blood, and they hunt each other with nets.” But then at the end
of the Book, just a few verses later (Micah 7:18-19):
“Who is a God like you, pardoning
iniquity and passing over the transgression of the remnant of your
possession? He does not retain his
anger forever, because he delights in showing clemency. He will
again have compassion upon us; he
will tread our iniquities under foot. You will cast all our sins into
the depths of the sea.”
It is the time of “wrath of the lamb” in Rev. 6:16-17 we see
that people are hiding and, “calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us
and hide us from the face of the one seated on the throne and from the wrath of
the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
There are some who have already died because of their faith:
martyrs. They are under the altar of God (basically VERY close to God) and they
have been saved, they were each given a white robe (which is a symbol for
eternal life).
“These are they who have come out
of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them
white in the blood of the Lamb. For
this reason they are before the throne of God, and worship him day
and night within his temple, and the one who is seated on the throne will shelter them. They will hunger no
more, and thirst no more; the sun will not strike them, nor any scorching heat; for the Lamb at the center
of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of the water of life, and God will
wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
and night within his temple, and the one who is seated on the throne will shelter them. They will hunger no
more, and thirst no more; the sun will not strike them, nor any scorching heat; for the Lamb at the center
of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of the water of life, and God will
wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
Basically, they don’t need to worry about earthly things
anymore. They only need worship God,
their savior.
The people of God are protected from disasters (the people
of God are represented by the 144,000).
In fact, the angel who ascends from the rising sun says not
to damage anything until the servants of God are marked with a seal on their
forehead. Which leads into the next questions:
“What ¼ do the horsemen
kill? Which ¼ are they given?” &
“What did ancient Christians think of Revelation?”
I think it is easy to get caught up in the details of
Revelation, trying to figure out exactly what will happen, where it will happen,
what ¼ of the world the horsemen are given, etc. This question is never explicitly answered. Many have tried to guess and speculate, but no
one is for sure.
The main purpose of the book is to show the cosmic battle
between Good and Evil, between God and the spiritual forces of wickedness, and
the fact that God always wins. God always wins!
“We are struck by the dramatic conflict between good and evil, or more specifically, between God and
those opposed to the will and purpose of God. We must never forget we are in such a battle. We know
it for its smaller, daily enactment in our own souls; but if we thought our daily experiences were relatively
inconsequential, Revelation lets us see that what we are experiencing is the conflict of the ages in
miniature. And Revelation wants us to know how the battle will at last come out. If we are with Christ,
we are on the winning side.” –J. Ellsworth Kalas.
“We are struck by the dramatic conflict between good and evil, or more specifically, between God and
those opposed to the will and purpose of God. We must never forget we are in such a battle. We know
it for its smaller, daily enactment in our own souls; but if we thought our daily experiences were relatively
inconsequential, Revelation lets us see that what we are experiencing is the conflict of the ages in
miniature. And Revelation wants us to know how the battle will at last come out. If we are with Christ,
we are on the winning side.” –J. Ellsworth Kalas.
This would have been so comforting to the folks who would
first read and hear Revelation. They
were suffering and dying for Christ, so it was good to hear that in the end,
they would stand with the victor.
The one who was
worthy to open the scroll. Am I right to assume this is Jesus Christ?
Yes.
“What are seals?”
& “The mark of God’s people on their forehead, what kind of mark or is it
just something said to identify God’s people?”
“Seals were dabs of clay placed upon strings around a
scroll. The clay would be impressed with
an individual’s stamp, which informed the recipient who was sending the letter
and which guaranteed that no one else had opened it.” -The Bible for Dummies
So when the 144,000 are “sealed” in Rev 7:3 (“Do not damage
the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have marked the servants of our God
with a seal on their foreheads.”) it is God claiming the people as God’s own
people, leaving God’s mark on them. So,
yes, this is a metaphor, for identity as one of God’s people. Seal was also a term for Christian Baptism:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22: “But it is God who establishes us
with you in Christ and has anointed us, by
putting his seal on us and giving us his Spirit in our hearts as a first installment.”
putting his seal on us and giving us his Spirit in our hearts as a first installment.”
Ephesians 1:13: “In him you also, when you had heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and
had believed in him, were marked with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit;”
Ephesians 4:30: “And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with which you were marked with a seal for
the day of redemption.”
The forehead is a body part mentioned often in the
Bible. Who knew, right? Especially in
the Law, or the first five books of the Bible.
God is always telling the people to keep the commandments of God as a
mark on their forehead, (Deuteronomy 11.18: You shall put these words of mine
in your heart and soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and fix
them as an emblem on your forehead.)
People can’t help but see something on your forehead. Think about Ash Wednesday, when we walk
around with those ashes smudged on our foreheads. People notice!
What are the time
frames of the opening of the seals?
It is unclear. John
received this vision on Sunday afternoon while he was “in the spirit.” It could
be like one of our dreams, when it feels like forever, but maybe you’ve only
been asleep for 10 minutes. Time is not super
important in Revelation, except eternity.
That is really the only mention of time, how God is and was and is to
come, that sort of thing.
Although, it would make sense if they were to come one after
another, because when the seventh seal is opened in chapter 8 John writes that
there was silence in heaven for about ½ an hour, which makes me think that if
there was silence or space between the other seals, John would have told us.
Why is this Book
included in the Bible? How does it help
us be better Christians?
“The author explains at the outset
that this is ‘the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show
the servants what must soon take place’ (Rev 1:1). It is thus seen as a special gift from God to the
devout, communicated to us through Jesus Christ. It is intended to inspire faithfulness in those who
read… the lead person is Christ. .. the aim, in every event, is to give glory to Christ and to provide the
reader with feelings of both awe and love” –J. Ellsworth Kalas
the servants what must soon take place’ (Rev 1:1). It is thus seen as a special gift from God to the
devout, communicated to us through Jesus Christ. It is intended to inspire faithfulness in those who
read… the lead person is Christ. .. the aim, in every event, is to give glory to Christ and to provide the
reader with feelings of both awe and love” –J. Ellsworth Kalas
It gives us example after example of worship; the songs they
sing show both the Old Covenant, from the story of the Exodus, and the New
Covenant, made by Jesus which we celebrate in Holy Communion. Which could be why the number 24 comes up
again and again: 12 tribes of Israel (representing the Old Covenant) and the 12
disciples of Jesus (representing the New Covenant).
What in the world
does: “Do not disturb the olive oil and the wine?”
“A quart of wheat for a day’s pay represents an
exorbitant price for wheat, fifteen
times higher than normal; shortages were often caused by hoarding for the
purpose of profiteering. Do not damage
the olive oil and then wine, i.e. do not fraudulently withhold oil and whine to
extort exorbitant prices.” –Harper Collins Study Bible.
In Chapter 5 and 7
John interacts with people/things in the vision. Is this the only time he interacts with the
vision? Was there a reason he interacted in these specific chapters?
John interacts with the vision in other parts, like we will
read tonight. “Vision” I think is an
inadequate word for Revelation. It is
more than a vision, it is an experience too.
Later he eats a scroll that was given to him and he is told to measure
the temple. So, this isn't something he
sees only, but it is also an experience.
He talks to people and interacts with them and eats a scroll and he
holds the measuring rod they give him.
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